From Body Shaming to Empowerment Transcript
We’re thrilled to launch a new series where some months, a different guest host is taking the reins of the show! They’ll choose a theme, run the show, and share their unique perspective while our original hosts take a step back into a producer role. This is the first episode of this exciting new format, and Lisa Michelle is kicking things off with AM in the producer’s seat!
Lisa Michelle will be focusing this month on elective surgeries: the good, the bad, and everything in between. Her guest, Selena, shares her experiences with breast augmentation and labiaplasty. Together, they explore the personal and professional impacts of these procedures, discussing body image, confidence, and the importance of finding the right professionals in the sex work industry. Tune in for a candid conversation on the choices behind elective surgery and how it affects self-expression and empowerment.
Lisa (00:01.886)
Hi, you’re listening to Yes Podcast, AKA Yes Is Stripper Podcast, and this is Lisa Michelle, and on your host today, we have Anne Davies as our producer. Say hello. How are you doing? Because you’re not the one doing the interview.
AM Davies (00:13.55)
Hey, this is fun. I’m great. I’m so excited.
Yeah, it’s fun. Like I still get to like hang out and chat and like be heard because I was, you know, with this new program, I’ve been talking to some like marketing geniuses and they’re like, like your voice should stay consistent throughout the whole podcast. I’m like, really? Like that’s how you keep people engaged. And I was like, okay, well, you know, I’ll just have little snippets. So it’s nice to only have to talk for
a little bit and then I want everybody I want your voices on here you know like I don’t know aren’t y’all sick of listening to me yet?
Lisa (00:57.135)
Bye.
Lisa (01:02.676)
No, we love you. But it is nice to sit in a different seat sometimes. So, used to, when I produced the last episode doing all the note taking, that’s what I used to do for a living. My first job after college was doing that at recording studio. So it kind of took me back. Yeah, I used to sit in recording sessions with voiceovers and make notes on every little cough or spit bubble that came out.
AM Davies (01:07.915)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
AM Davies (01:16.055)
Mm-hmm.
AM Davies (01:20.182)
I didn’t know that.
Lisa (01:29.03)
Yeah, it’s a really meticulous job. yeah, so now you get to, you’re sitting where I used to sit. I was very underpaid for it. It was fun though.
AM Davies (01:30.922)
Okay, so I hired the right person then.
AM Davies (01:40.11)
Well, yeah, no, this is great. I’m so excited to be here. I’m so excited for this whole series that is happening. So yeah, what you take over, you’re you’re the boss go.
Lisa (01:45.972)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Lisa (01:52.36)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So if you’re listening, today’s episode is about elective procedures, cosmetic procedures that we get done. Today specifically, what we’re talking about is breast augmentation, which is pretty popular in our industry, and levoplasty. And our guest today is Selena. Go ahead and say hello. Hi. Hello.
It’s nice to meet you. And just, yeah, yeah, before we get started, what are your pronouns?
Selena Mendoza (02:24.223)
Nice and weird, what?
Selena Mendoza (02:30.188)
My pronouns are she,
Lisa (02:31.892)
Okay, great. So we’re mine. And do you identify as a sex worker? Cool. Cool. Me personally, I just, I’ll use the term stripper, dancer, performer, like interchangeably. Is that okay with you?
Selena Mendoza (02:37.761)
Identify as a sex worker, yes ma’am.
Selena Mendoza (02:47.671)
Yep, that’s totally fine. I’ve done a lot of variety of sex work. So, you know, I just say sex work because it kind of encompasses everything. know that a lot of our listeners are strippers today. So totally fine with that.
Lisa (02:51.048)
Uh-huh.
Yeah. Yeah.
Lisa (02:58.782)
Cool, cool. All right, so I’m really excited to talk to you. I stalked your Instagram. You are so photogenic. I was looking at your pictures, I’m like, I will never have that. And it comes through when I take, it takes a lot to get that out of me. And I’m like looking at your pictures, like, God, she’s so pretty.
Selena Mendoza (03:06.125)
Thank you.
Selena Mendoza (03:16.427)
It takes a super long time in a light, so.
Lisa (03:19.908)
Yeah, yeah. Most people do not realize what we go through to get those like 10 really good pictures. Like, that was five hours of my day. I had no one helping me. But yeah, like you are gorgeous. You are a goddess. So you picked your Instagram handle perfectly. So let’s just get into what we’re here to talk about today. So we’re talking about procedures. I have a couple of questions to, you know, kind of guide us.
Selena Mendoza (03:24.943)
Thank you.
Yeah.
Lisa (03:48.222)
but feel free to go in the direction that you want. That’s usually how it happens. So you’ve had a breast augmentation, you’ve had a labiaplasty. Do you wanna talk about like, I guess like, did you get them? Well, first, how long have you been in the industry? And then let’s talk about when you got those.
Selena Mendoza (03:57.918)
I have. So I’ve been in the industry since I was freshly 18. So I’ve been in the industry a lot longer than I think most people my age. only 26, but I’ve been in almost 10 years. So been in a while.
Lisa (04:15.938)
huh. Yeah. True veteran.
Selena Mendoza (04:20.805)
Yeah, I know, But, you know, getting cosmetic, I had my labiaplasty actually before I entered the industry. So that was a personal choice when I was younger. And it was kind of like my mom was like, insurance isn’t going to cover it. And I knew already that like, I kind of have always known that I was built, I guess, for this type of industry. And I have always been like very like
What is it? I don’t want to say conceited, but meticulous about my appearance. And so for me personally, it was more of like a cosmetic choice to get my olavioplasty done. I feel like I went with a really good doctor. I was really happy with my results. I wish I had waited maybe till I was a little bit older to make a more informed decision. Granted, nothing bad happened to me. I still have all my sensations and everything, but having been older and like…
communicated with other people who have had a similar procedure. I know that not everybody is as lucky to have a great doctor who knows what they’re doing and I feel like, you know, having my parents input, I probably had, you know, more or less risk of that happening, right? But if I was older, I think I would have been a little bit more content with my body in that area. I think I was just really young and undereducated watching porn, you know, that kind of thing that just…
made me feel very differently about what my body was supposed to look like, right? Yeah, so really.
Lisa (05:48.478)
Yeah, porno pussy is a real thing. Like we’re made to feel like there’s one pussy and if you don’t have it, then like there’s something wrong with you.
Selena Mendoza (05:57.439)
Absolutely, yeah. especially with young girls, we don’t often see everybody’s labia. And labia is such a dirty word sometimes for people. we all have them. They all look different. Yeah.
Lisa (06:06.428)
Mm-hmm. I’m gonna get it tattooed on me just because you said that. I’m curious. Okay, so you said you talked to your parents about it. Like that takes a lot. Like I couldn’t have done that. When I had my boobs done, I had my boobs done at your age, so I was about 26 and I didn’t tell anybody. Only the guy that I was dating who I was living with and I actually wore really tight bras to hide it because I didn’t want people to know.
Selena Mendoza (06:28.959)
Mm.
Lisa (06:33.298)
That’s really the confidence to be able to talk to your family about that. Wow.
Selena Mendoza (06:37.419)
Yeah, I was so much confidence. I had a larger labia like when I was younger and my family actually body shamed me really heavily, like called me some derogatory names, you know what I mean? Just for the looks of it and made me feel very self-conscious. So they kind of pushed me towards it, which is why I say as I got older and I’ve become more comfortable and also
Lisa (06:51.227)
Mm-hmm.
Selena Mendoza (07:01.307)
more educated, you know what I mean? As we get older and we have more experiences, I’m queer and you know, and I think as a young girl, I was very like sheltered as a Jehovah’s Witness. I didn’t have a lot of experience with like other women’s bodies, right? So now I do and I’m like, my God, that was so normal. Why was I freaking out? Like, and it’s just the body shaming I think for my family. So like, granted I was, there was, it is comfortable I think to have their support through it, but also like for me, it wasn’t so much of a…
Lisa (07:03.07)
Mm-hmm.
Lisa (07:12.445)
Yeah.
Selena Mendoza (07:29.967)
empowering experience as I would have liked it to be. You know, as for my breast augmentation, I feel like that was 100 % my choice. It was something I was really excited to do. And it was something I like shared at the time on Instagram. Like I was on my story and I was telling everybody like, here’s what I’m doing. Here’s how I feel. my God, I’m dying or I’m happy. You know, whatever. Yeah. Breast augmentation surgery is big.
Lisa (07:50.932)
It is a life experience to have. So, yeah, yeah. Well, let’s get into that a little more. You said that you found a great doctor, which is so hard, like so, so difficult. But you said that, you you wish that you would have waited a little bit longer till you were older. Is that just because of how your family made you feel? Like you wanted to kind of own, I’m imagining you want to own your decision.
Selena Mendoza (08:07.706)
yeah.
Selena Mendoza (08:15.452)
Absolutely.
Lisa (08:20.788)
Truly for you. Yeah.
no.
Lisa (08:28.758)
no worries.
Selena Mendoza (08:30.409)
For me, I do feel like I would have liked it to be more of my decision. I feel as though when you make such a personal decision, you should be making it for yourself. Of course, being in the industry, there’s pros and cons, right? But at the end of the day, you’re the one that lives with the decision, whether you’re at work or you’re not at work. And so you have to be really happy with whatever you’re doing to yourself is my personal philosophy, right?
Lisa (08:58.302)
you
Selena Mendoza (08:59.455)
getting older, I feel like I didn’t maybe go into that surgery with the right mindset as I have with my cosmetic procedures as an adult. And so I feel like maybe I would have made the same decision, maybe, but who knows, because I was too young, you know, but, you know, I feel like it was more empowering to me to experience it in my 20s versus when I was a teenager, you know.
Lisa (09:07.506)
Okay.
Lisa (09:12.372)
Yeah.
Lisa (09:20.916)
Sure, yeah. So with your breast augmentation, you were just full out there. You had like a campaign. You’re telling everybody about it. So I’m curious. So how did you go about researching that and how did you find your doctor and what kind of breast augmentation you ended up getting?
Selena Mendoza (09:27.759)
Yeah, pretty much.
Selena Mendoza (09:41.982)
So I actually had like both 360 and I went with my same doctor. But for that doctor, I had several friends at the club that I was working at actually, who had gone with the same clinic, right? They didn’t necessarily go with that doctor, but they’re kind of like a bigger clinic. They have several different, what do call it? Like locations in different cities, know, those types of things.
Lisa (10:05.652)
Okay, yeah.
Selena Mendoza (10:06.941)
And so I went to one in Atlanta because I’m based in North Carolina and it just made more sense for me. But I really, I was looking at this doctor’s work for like a consistent amount of time. I went in for a pre-op and because I live close, it wasn’t so strenuous for me. I know not everybody has the ability to like go and see their doctor in person. But I feel like in comparison, I’ve had other surgeries where I
didn’t meet the doctor first and then I got there and I immediately realized I am uncomfortable. I am so uncomfortable with this doctor and I actually pulled out and I lost a lot more money than I would have if I had just taken a smaller trip to go and meet that doctor in person before I put down a whole surgery amount. You know what I mean?
Lisa (10:55.06)
Oh wow, so usually there’s like a, if you’re not familiar with listeners, usually there’s like a deposit that you have to put down to secure your surgery and it can be anywhere from like $500 to $1,000. So in this case with this doctor that you decided to back out with, you had paid the whole amount upfront?
Selena Mendoza (11:04.773)
We will.
Selena Mendoza (11:12.633)
Because I usually when you do a cosmetic procedure, you have to pay the full amount before you go in for surgery. So I didn’t meet that doctor. I just flew out for the surgery. I was so uncomfortable. I was like, I would so much rather just lose out on $8,000 than mess up my whole body. I know. Mistake. Expensive mistake.
Lisa (11:20.68)
Right.
Lisa (11:32.673)
wow. Yeah.
Wow, I guess I hadn’t considered that because I financed mine and I had met my doctor in person, but my other two doctors, I don’t remember. It was such a long time ago. So now you’re at this point where you’re like, I’m $8,000 in the hole. So now you’re looking for a new surgeon. So you had already established I have to meet them in person first, which I condone for. Meet your doctor in person, even if it means you have to like make a trip across the country. If that’s the person to do it, it’s worth it.
Selena Mendoza (11:56.42)
Mm-hmm.
Selena Mendoza (12:07.246)
Yeah. Even if it’s a loose call, because I feel like you can get a vibe from somebody even just talking. I think that had I talked to that person prior, I might have not put down a deposit.
Lisa (12:08.06)
So did you have to?
Yeah, yes.
Lisa (12:18.856)
That’s true, because I did a Zoom call with a doctor and I didn’t feel that he was really getting at what I was trying to get at. Did you have to pay the consult fee? So most of them do a consult fee if they’re very accredited and then there’s some that don’t.
Selena Mendoza (12:28.866)
Now, precise.
Selena Mendoza (12:36.25)
So most of the time when I’ve gotten cosmetic surgeries, I’ve gone to like clinics that kind of like, they kind of like pump these things out, right? Like, know, in this industry, there’s like, there’s specialists, and then there’s people who just kind of like, want to get as many surgeries out. So with this one, went, the one that I backed out of was CG Cosmetics in Miami. And I felt, I found out there was no like, I didn’t realize in Florida, you don’t have to have malpractice insurance and
Lisa (12:45.416)
Yeah.
Lisa (12:50.644)
Mm-hmm.
Selena Mendoza (13:05.133)
They didn’t let me know any of that before I flew down. like, there were bigger questions that I just wasn’t aware that I needed to ask prior to, right? So like, being in North Carolina, I just assume everybody would have malpractice insurance. I didn’t realize that was an option.
Lisa (13:08.596)
Okay.
Lisa (13:13.534)
Mm-hmm.
Lisa (13:21.454)
know that either. See there’s all these things that you don’t think about before you go into it and then after the fact you’re like I didn’t even think to ask about that. I didn’t even think to ask about what kind of anesthesiology I’m going to be getting. I didn’t think to ask about X, Y, and Z until after the fact. This is really helpful. Yeah so definitely go to doctor that is insured. Yeah.
Selena Mendoza (13:25.336)
Yeah
Selena Mendoza (13:37.162)
Yes, absolutely. Yeah.
Yeah, ask about that. Malpractice insurance, ask if they carry it, they have it. Another thing that I thought was odd was that just shortly before surgery, they wanted me to sign things that were concerning arbitration and things. And I just feel like anything that you’re going to be signing, especially when you’re considering signing away your rights to pursue legal action if somebody were to do something that was not within the lines of what they’re supposed to be doing.
Lisa (13:58.516)
scary.
Selena Mendoza (14:11.736)
If you’re going to be signing that right away, you should have plenty of time to think it over, to look it over, send it to attorneys. It should not be something that’s done an hour before surgery or even a night before surgery. just, yeah. yes, huge red flag.
Lisa (14:20.616)
Yes. That’s a red flag. And this is a good case for why you should have your consult should be spaced out from the time of your surgery date. Like in my opinion, like at least a month so you have time to maybe seek other options or get an attorney if there’s like something that looks suspicious to you. The point is to not rush it, even though sometimes we feel kind of like you go into those consults and we have to remember
Selena Mendoza (14:32.079)
huh.
Selena Mendoza (14:38.486)
.
Selena Mendoza (14:44.778)
Thank you.
Lisa (14:50.504)
they’re still trying to sell you something. It’s an elective procedure. It’s not covered by insurance. So have to kind of think like how the doctor’s thinking, you know, I need to book this many patients on my two surgery days a week and I need to make sure that I get my $8,500, you know, every hour that I’m working, you know. So they’re trying to like hit their sales quota. And I know that sounds weird, but we live in America. Yeah.
Selena Mendoza (15:12.829)
That’s absolutely the truth. mean, and especially, you know, certain states have more regulations. So I think that
Lisa (15:14.771)
Yeah.
Selena Mendoza (15:19.094)
knowing what states have and their guidelines can help you find a better surgeon. I found that that’s actually how I found my doctor in Atlanta, Dr. Fizuci. cannot recommend him enough. He did both my lipos and my breast augmentation. And I just felt like he was a doctor who sat down with me. Each consult I had with him, he took well over 30 minutes to ask me exactly what I want. He sat there and he was like, okay, well, actually, this is what I think. And then I would be like, you know, actually, this is what I feel like.
Lisa (15:19.604)
Mm-hmm.
Lisa (15:25.36)
and
Lisa (15:30.159)
Hahaha
Selena Mendoza (15:46.803)
And then he kind of was like, okay, well, this is what I can do. So is that gonna make you happy? Because if not, I don’t wanna promise you something I can’t do. And I think any doctor that’s willing to walk away from money because he’s not able to give you your results is probably somebody that’s worth at least trying to find like a healthy medium, you know, cause not every doctor is gonna be able to meet your results perfectly. You know, we can’t look at every photo.
that we show, right? We’re all individual and we’re all unique and we’re all special. And so one size fits all is not gonna happen. Yeah.
Lisa (16:14.652)
Yeah, yeah, it’s the Yeah, exactly. So when you met with your doctor, how did, so what did you end up deciding on together? What was the best outcome for you?
Selena Mendoza (16:27.22)
Though he was really trying to talk me into a lift, I had, I already have a child and so like I had had some sagging and also one of my breasts was like slightly bigger than the other, right? So like regardless, yeah, I was gonna have to have one implant bigger than the other. And he was like, and I think it would just give you a better look and you’d have to have less time coming back in later down the line if you were to get a lift. But I just was like, I don’t want a scar. I don’t want a scar. I don’t care. I don’t want a scar.
Lisa (16:30.43)
Mm-hmm.
Lisa (16:38.686)
Common.
Selena Mendoza (16:53.652)
And this is what I want, what can you get me there? And he was like, well, I can give you the volume that you’re looking for, it’s just not gonna be the lift that you’re looking for. And I was like, that fine by me. I like a natural hang, that’s just my preference. I don’t care if they’re like, yeah, right? And everybody looks good with their stuff. Me personally, I feel like I just look better with a little bit of a hang. I’m short, so it kind of gives me a little bit more frame, you know? And so.
Lisa (17:06.622)
Me too. I don’t have it, but I like it on other people. Yeah.
Lisa (17:20.21)
Yeah. What you’re talking about is so important though to, to know what you want and also what you don’t want when you go into that and to know like, what are you trading off? For some people, like they want to have the lift and you know, they, they want to have that like perky tightness and they’re willing to go under the muscle versus over. Did you go, sub muscular? Okay. Okay. Okay. So, well, okay. Well,
Selena Mendoza (17:29.105)
Yes.
Yeah.
Selena Mendoza (17:38.706)
Yes. I was not. Yeah, I had to go over the muscle. I was like, I don’t want to do that. I’m not willing to deal with it.
Lisa (17:49.596)
Let’s talk about that. This is like a big thing when you’re, when you’re starting your research and it’s always like the first question. Yeah. Yeah. It’s the first question. Like when you want all the sites, all these boutique sites, some muscular or sub glandular and like, are the benefits? So for you, you didn’t want to go under the muscle and, why was that?
Selena Mendoza (17:54.002)
didn’t know this either until my pre-op so that’s a great question.
Selena Mendoza (18:05.468)
Mm-hmm.
Yes. Well, when I had talked to my doctor, the way he, first of all, I wanted to limit my pain as much as possible. I’m a baby. So, yeah, under the muscle is way longer of a healing process because obviously they’re going deeper, they’re doing more, they’re placing it, you all that kind of stuff. But on top of that, I told my doctor that my specific goal was that I didn’t care so much about, I already had double D’s, right? But I had breastfed, so like I had flatness.
Lisa (18:17.392)
Mm-hmm. It is painful, yeah.
Selena Mendoza (18:38.225)
So for me, the biggest thing was that I wanted volume and I cleavage. And he was like, well, going over your muscles is gonna make it really easy for me to give you the cleavage that you’re looking for. And so, I was very little convincing for me to be like, less pain, more cleavage, I’m cool. But he did tell me, in about 10 years, you’re gonna need a mesh bra because these implants are large and you are going to experience sagging over time, especially if you don’t wear a bra.
Lisa (18:48.284)
Yeah.
Lisa (19:02.036)
Mm-hmm.
Lisa (19:08.764)
Yeah, so how many years have you had in them?
Selena Mendoza (19:10.456)
Um, I got mine done in 2022, so three years this May. Yeah, I feel like very minimal cycle yet.
Lisa (19:15.24)
Okay, yeah. Yeah, so not a concern yet. Yeah. Did they talk to you about the rates of rupture and capsular contracture? And for those of you listening, rupture is when the implant itself ruptures and there’s different types of ruptures. Sometimes they’re contained within the shell and most of the time now they are because of the gel inside is what they call cohesive, they used to call it gummy, but it’s cohesive.
and then there’s capsular contracture, which is when you get an implant, there’s a scar that forms around it and that’s intentional. that’s what our body does and that keeps everything in place. but, sometimes what happens is that scar can kind of seize up and squeeze the implant and you start getting weird feelings and it’s painful. So let’s talk about those considerations.
AM Davies (20:11.49)
This is a good time to take a break really quick because and we also lost her sound. Wait a second. What is she saying? Hold on. What? Where? Did you lose?
Lisa (20:17.396)
Okay.
Lisa (20:22.548)
Can you hear us?
Lisa (20:26.324)
She can’t hear us either.
AM Davies (20:27.714)
Can’t hear her at all. Hold on, let me make a mark of what’s happening here.
Lisa (20:32.756)
No… Okay, I am… I’m hearing you though.
AM Davies (20:33.806)
20 minutes lost, Selena, you hear me?
Lisa (20:39.924)
And you’re hearing me. Okay. Weird. Okay, so you can’t hear us at all, right? She can’t hear us. Yeah, and we can’t hear her. very strange.
AM Davies (20:50.05)
That’s very, yeah, I think you should leave and come back, Selena. Yeah, we’ll be right here. Everything’s fine. Yeah.
Lisa (20:59.083)
we should do the commercial break.
AM Davies (21:03.084)
Wait, let’s wait until she’s back. Because if we do it without her, I don’t know how the…
all as well, yeah. Okay, I’m take myself off. And Lisa, do you remember the last thing you just asked Selena? You were talking about the capsular thing and the ruptured thing. Yeah.
Selena Mendoza (21:15.227)
guys.
Lisa (21:16.413)
No, it’s okay.
Lisa (21:23.251)
Selena Mendoza (21:24.644)
after this.
Lisa (21:26.078)
choice of what were your considerations, if they gave you that information, what were your considerations, I think, something like that.
AM Davies (21:33.134)
So here’s what you can do. You can say, let’s get into that, but first let’s take a quick break. Sound good? Okay.
Lisa (21:39.55)
Okay, yeah. Let’s get into that, first let’s take a quick break. We’ll be right back.
Lisa (21:48.792)
And we’re back. So Selena, we were talking about capsular contracture and rupture and the statistical rates that they give you when you go to have your consultation. And that can be a consideration when you’re trying to decide. So how did you feel about making that choice?
Selena Mendoza (22:00.037)
now.
Selena Mendoza (22:07.184)
Yes, so that was a huge consideration of mine. Obviously, being in the industry, we know lots of people that have experienced these kinds of things and it can be really scary. For me, that was, he had mentioned that there is a larger percentage chance with the sub-muscular, right? So it was like there is going to be less of a chance if we put it over. And my doctor also said that he was like,
that kind of is dependent on the person. Your body heals the way that it heals and there’s no exact science for who is more prone to capture construction, to capture, I forget how it’s said, but.
Lisa (22:46.494)
Contractor. Yeah, it’s like a tongue twister.
Yeah
Selena Mendoza (22:53.895)
He’s like, there’s no exact science to it. And he was like, I can give, will prescribe you an allergy and an antibiotic medicine for after I give you a surgery that will try that I need you to take for 90 days to try to bend that off. Cause your body might read it as like a foreign and foreign substance or whatever. And that’s like, makes you more likely to have that. And so for me, it was like, there’s always going to be a risk, you know, and
It’s something that I have to just say, hopefully it doesn’t happen. And I do everything that I can to not make it happen. Wear my bra, take my medicine, and hope for the best.
Lisa (23:32.36)
Yes, and this is something for those of you listening that maybe you’re considering having a breast aug and weighing out your options, kind of always have to know, excuse me, you kind of always have to know that you’re at some risk. Once they’re in your body, you’re at some risk of a rupture or contracture, one or the other or both, hopefully not, and you want to be prepared for that. So I kind of look at mine. So I’ve had three implant surgeries.
And two ruptures. I just got mine replaced three weeks ago. And I did a more reconstructive. went from under the muscle to over the muscle like you did because I kept getting ruptures. Now they know that being like a muscle mommy increases your risk. And I was like heavy in the gym. Yeah, you know, there’s like articles about it. you know, we have to consider that we don’t, we don’t really know because implant surgeries haven’t been around as long as to get as much data. You know, we kind of know some things, but we kind of don’t.
Selena Mendoza (24:07.79)
.
Selena Mendoza (24:16.845)
really?
Selena Mendoza (24:27.575)
Yeah. Yeah.
Lisa (24:29.78)
So it’s all speculative, but that’s part of reason why. And we need to make these considerations. So I kind of look at now as like the second third of my body. It’s like a depreciating asset, like buying a car. And if I want to make sure that I’m not stuck having to finance a whole car, I should be putting money away every month for when I have them replaced. And the average implant lasts about 10 years. My first one ruptured at seven, second at like literally three months after 10. You get a 10 year warranty on most of them. I don’t know how that’s working out.
Selena Mendoza (24:41.776)
Okay.
Lisa (24:58.92)
These days, different companies are doing different things. Okay, so when you get your implants, they automatically enroll you into a warranty program. And then there’s like different tiers, like you can buy into like a different kind of warranty that covers more of your surgery. But essentially it covers the replacement and the removal, but it doesn’t cover all the surgeon’s fees. So like you get like a certain percentage that is covered and some that’s not.
Selena Mendoza (25:01.228)
didn’t hear about that, but.
Selena Mendoza (25:10.288)
Mm. Mm.
Lisa (25:25.62)
But a lot of these companies, Allergan has changed their warranty policy. used to be that they did like a full, you know, replacement and now like they’ve cut away some of that. So it’s good to know when you’re researching, like what is my warranty policy? Like what are they going to give me? And then you also want to make sure that you get that implant card. This is my implant card. It says exactly what species I have. I have two different size implants, two different actually models of implants to balance out my discrepancy.
Selena Mendoza (25:25.674)
Yeah.
Selena Mendoza (25:36.075)
Thank
Selena Mendoza (25:41.031)
Yeah. Oh, I didn’t even know they gave you a card. That’s so cool. It’s so cute. But I think they’re like bad.
Lisa (25:55.652)
so this is all stuff like things we don’t think about like, yeah, they do. everyone listening. So I’m trying to hide my name on it, but this is a mentor implant card. And on the backside, it shows, and those of you that are watching the video, I recommend coming and watching it, but it shows I have a three 50 was it three 20 CC on my left. I have 400 CC on my right. And the right is actually a different model. so
Selena Mendoza (26:08.248)
wow!
Selena Mendoza (26:20.241)
wow.
That’s interesting.
Lisa (26:24.22)
make sure you get your implant. You probably have it in a registry somewhere. because if it ever, yeah, especially when you got in 22. So you want to make sure you locate that because if you ever do have contracture or rupture within that 10 year limit and you go and say, Hey, I need to have this taken care of. They’ll ask you for that info or the look you up in the database. And then they’ll give you a number back at which, your, which the company, all again, or mentor, whoever did your, your, made your implant.
Selena Mendoza (26:30.1)
Probably, probably have to look around.
.
Lisa (26:54.036)
they will pay for a part of the explant and cover the new implant that goes in. So you’ll probably pay a surgeon fee and like a little bit of anesthesiology, that kind of stuff. yeah, so that’s like, definitely find that. Definitely find that because, right? You don’t want to have to pay more than you have. So do you know about how much you paid for your surgery and like after all, like the consult fees and all that?
Selena Mendoza (26:59.977)
you
Selena Mendoza (27:05.124)
Yeah. That’s great info. I will definitely look around for that after we’re done here.
Absolutely.
Selena Mendoza (27:19.849)
Yes. For my breast augmentation, I got it on a deal and I paid just, my deal price was $65, but I ended up paying roughly under $7 with all my fees and everything, you know? So, yeah.
Lisa (27:22.707)
Mm-hmm.
Lisa (27:26.747)
Yes.
Lisa (27:31.155)
Okay.
Okay, yeah, that’s pretty like typical about 65, 7,000. And then like labiaplasty, I never had to research it. I really don’t know, like how much is that?
Selena Mendoza (27:39.431)
Yeah.
Selena Mendoza (27:44.136)
I was about to say I got mine done in 2015. So this is also 10 years ago, but mine was five grand on the dot and it was here in Charlotte. So actually it’s like, so I’m surprised because usually in like smaller cities, it’s a lot more expensive. Like I looked at getting my breasts done here and it was like 10, 15, you know, I can’t imagine what labiaplasty would be today.
Lisa (27:47.73)
Okay, inflation. Okay.
Lisa (28:05.043)
Really?
Yeah, okay, good to know. This is so fascinating. It’s just funny to hear how everyone approaches their surgery, their procedure differently and the different things that you find along the way. I had never considered making sure that my doctors had insurance. So overall, I know, right? So overall, both of your surgeries, they went pretty well. You didn’t have any complications. There was nothing that…
Selena Mendoza (28:17.404)
Yeah.
Selena Mendoza (28:26.418)
I know, right? Didn’t think you have to.
Lisa (28:36.882)
like was unexpected.
Selena Mendoza (28:37.196)
No, I mean with my labiaplasty, I had a few stitches pop. I had 11 stitches on each side and you know, I was young and I was not following directions. So I was just a silly girl.
Lisa (28:42.804)
Cool.
Lisa (28:50.169)
imagine it’s very hard to be safe in that area and even your boobs like your I had t-rex syndrome for like four days like I couldn’t do anything but like lift my arms that like you know you just you feel completely incapacitated for a couple days how long did the labiaplasty like put you down
Selena Mendoza (28:57.156)
Yes.
Selena Mendoza (29:06.852)
Yes.
Selena Mendoza (29:13.479)
Honestly, by like, I had it done on the 17th and I was doing activities by, by, by New Year’s. So like, I mean, activities, yeah, like, but I would say I was fully recovered, like stitches out, like roughly right after my birthday. So like roughly by the, by the beginning of February. So, you know, eight weeks, it was like pretty much completely healed.
Lisa (29:24.259)
Activities, air quotes.
Lisa (29:36.755)
Okay.
Lisa (29:40.936)
So those were not dissolvable stitches.
Selena Mendoza (29:43.48)
They were dissolvable stitches, they were full for the the for the bottom part, the top part actually had to go back in. There’s just I had a lot more labia. So like they had a lot of significant stitching at the top versus my bottom ones. So.
Lisa (29:45.319)
Okay.
Lisa (29:52.336)
okay.
Lisa (29:56.786)
huh.
Uh huh. Ouch. You are like such a hero. ooh. I like, even when I’m getting waxed, I’m like, please don’t go to that spot. Just skip it. Just skip it this time. I just can’t do it.
Selena Mendoza (30:10.821)
I’ve been like Brazilian waxing for like ever so I feel like waxing is like easy.
Lisa (30:18.964)
You’re a soldier. Oh my God. Okay, so I just want to make sure we’re staying on track with time. I just want to ask you like a couple more questions. Overall, do you feel like you’ve got the outcome that you were looking for in all of your procedures?
Selena Mendoza (30:24.696)
Yes.
Selena Mendoza (30:36.666)
I feel like all of my procedures, got exactly what I wanted. You know, I feel like I was, I really loved the doctors that I talked to, even the one when I was younger. Like I feel like I just, when I went under, even though I feel like you always have a little bit of nerves, I feel like you can never not go under and not feel like so nervous. Like my anesthesiologist was so concerned and I’m like, I’m good. I’m just like terrified.
Lisa (30:40.819)
Nice.
Lisa (30:56.382)
Thank you for saying that. Right? Every time, every time. So actually about that, anesthesiology, did you have a general for every one of your procedures? Yeah.
Selena Mendoza (31:10.007)
I did. Well, I’m not positive about my labia. It’s just so long ago, I can’t remember. But I do know for my lipo and for my breast aug, I had general.
Lisa (31:18.61)
Yeah, so for the listeners, sometimes you get an option to choose. There’s different kind of tiers of anesthesiology and general anesthesia is the most expensive. And there’s like side effects that you can get with both or all of them. There’s local, which is just local injections. And then there’s like local with some sedative. And then there’s what they call a twilight, which is an IV. So you get an IV and they give you
something to relax you and take away the anxiety and they sedate you so heavily that you’re kind of, you’re basically asleep, but you can wake up. And that happened to me, but you’re not supposed to feel pain or remember it. But when they did my Twilight, I did feel pain and that was during my breast aug and I remembered it. So, you know, they didn’t give me enough of whatever that drug was to like actually sedate me to level I need to be sedated, or maybe it was the anxiety. And then there’s general, which they
It’s an IV, give you like, it’s like paralytic painkiller and full, you’re fully unconscious. And then they give you like a breathing tube because you can’t really breathe on your own. So a lot of times people don’t like the idea of doing that. But I’ve been reading recently that there’s actually more risks with doing a twilight than there is with doing in general. So it’s worth looking into in your process of researching how you want your procedure to go to consider.
Selena Mendoza (32:23.17)
Okay.
Lisa (32:42.004)
You know, maybe for this one, Twilight is okay. I don’t really need to be under this one. definitely want to be under it. It really depends on how invasive your procedure is, but a breast aug I’d say is pretty invasive. Yeah.
Selena Mendoza (32:53.181)
Yeah, would say so is like lipo. Honestly, feel as though also you have to take into account if you’re a smoker. I’m a huge smoker. I smoke every single day. So when I was talking about anesthesia, at least for my lipo, my breast, they were like, you definitely want to do general. You do not want to risk it because you could wake up. And I was like,
Lisa (32:58.429)
Yes.
Lisa (33:04.052)
Mmm.
Lisa (33:14.61)
Yeah.
Lisa (33:18.514)
Yeah, yeah, that is not a good feeling. It’ll give you anxiety every time.
Selena Mendoza (33:21.664)
Yeah, no, can imagine that was that sounds terrifying. I can’t. You’re a trooper. You’re a soldier like. What an experience.
Lisa (33:28.635)
Well, it’s funny because, you know, I didn’t remember it until like, you know, after surgery, you’re just a mess. You’re just like, and then you get back to normal life and then you start having like, I started having feelings of like, that, was I dreaming? No, I definitely was talking. I was talking to the doctor and I remember hearing things and then, you know, it takes like a couple of months and then six months later, I’m like freaked out about the next time I have to have surgery. I’m like, I don’t want to ever go this again. So it’s good to know like,
Selena Mendoza (33:35.612)
Yeah.
Selena Mendoza (33:48.382)
Your subconscious.
Selena Mendoza (33:55.487)
That’s my biggest fear every time I go under anesthesia. That’s my biggest fear. So you lived it.
Lisa (33:57.044)
Mm-hmm.
Lisa (34:01.414)
It’s normal. It’s normal to have those everyone have. I’ve never talked to anyone that was like, yeah, I’m surgery. I’m fine about it. Everyone is going to be sweaty, palmed and shaking. And you know, you’re good, a good team, a surgical team is going to give you those. They’re going to give you a couple of anti-anxiety meds before when you’re checking in, you’re changing into your gown and all that. So it’s all designed to take you slowly through the process and they put you in the gurney and then they put the IV in and then they give you something.
Selena Mendoza (34:25.695)
Yeah, go way up, right?
Lisa (34:30.772)
A good anesthesiology team will never tell you when they give it to you. Mine was talking to me and all of a sudden I felt the walls go like this and I was like, oh, that must be Demerol. I don’t know what is that. But you know, once you’ve gone through it a couple of times, you kind of know at what point, but a good anesthesiologist should never tell you. I’m about to knock you out now because that’ll make your anxiety go way up. It’s good to, yeah, it’s good to know. It’s a talk to people, you know.
Selena Mendoza (34:55.358)
Yeah. LiPo is actually the only one I had a bad experience. Not a terrible, not a terrible.
Lisa (34:57.972)
Every time, because every procedure is going to go a little bit differently. I just want to ask you a couple more questions. Is there anything that you wish that you would have known with your lipo? We didn’t really talk about lipo as much, so feel free to go into that more. Your breast aug or labiaplasty, is there anything that you wish you would have known?
Really? give it to us.
Selena Mendoza (35:23.271)
But I will tell you, will tell you. I did not, this was my first major cosmetic surgery as an adult. So this, I had my breast augmentation a year after this. So like I was much more aware of what I needed to be asking. I also had it with the same doctor. So I was kind of aware of what to expect going into the office and everything. So my first one, I just was completely in the dark. I really had no idea. And I assumed that my medication got sent.
I just assumed that it was sent over and my younger sister was taking care of me and I just assumed that she probably was well read enough to realize what she was reading. But I actually was only taking allergy medication for my first 24 hours after lipo. And so it was completely no pain medication, absolutely nothing. After lipo, I was dying. I was calling my doctor’s office like, I need help.
Lisa (36:14.09)
no.
Selena Mendoza (36:24.06)
Bye.
Lisa (36:24.612)
Usually you pick it up before the surgery. With my last one, I forgot, so I had to have my partner go get it. But usually you’re supposed to pick it up the day before. So what happens, I think?
Selena Mendoza (36:34.672)
They didn’t, for some reason they told me that because it was a narcotic, that it was only allowed to pick it up. I guess maybe that’s just Georgia, just because I was a general, and maybe that’s just their rules or something there. But they told me I wasn’t allowed to pick it up, my narcotics, until after I had my surgery that they would send it in. I don’t know what happened, mix up, whatever, they never sent it in. So when my sister went to pick it up, assuming that she was…
Lisa (36:43.928)
Okay.
Selena Mendoza (36:59.269)
picking up my narcotics, she had only picked up the allergy medication that that doctor had prescribed to help ward off infection. And I was like, dying, I’m popping allergy medication. Like, why isn’t this working?
Lisa (37:07.465)
Yeah.
Lisa (37:13.382)
No, you need the oxycodone.
Selena Mendoza (37:15.771)
Yeah, so like, I think that just like being aware of everything that you’re supposed to do, talking to your support team, making sure like, hey, when you read the bottle, this is what, because they did print out my medication list for me at least. So I could have maybe talked to her better about like, hey, this is what the bottle should say. If this isn’t here, we need to make sure this is here, you know? And like really knowing exactly what I need to be taking when I need to be taking it and having.
food ready for right after surgery would have been a lifesaver. Cause I went to Burger King right after cause I was dying and I didn’t, cause I didn’t have anything prepped. I know.
Lisa (37:44.851)
Yes.
Oh god.
Lisa (37:51.828)
Well, you’re just like so hungry because you can’t eat the night before and you’re dehydrated and you’re probably puking up whatever nothing is in your stomach but meds. my God.
Selena Mendoza (37:55.29)
so hungry. And your body’s like refilling from all the blood getting cold and like you’re like, something.
Lisa (38:05.912)
Yeah. So for those of you listening, make sure that you do some meal prep so that honestly you should have like three to four days worth of meals because you’re not going to want to do anything. And also make sure that anything that you normally have to reach, I’m talking about for the breast dog, reach overhead for, put it down on a counter that’s at like hip height, elbow height, because you can’t do anything.
I didn’t think about that. I’m like trying to reach for glasses and like, God, I can’t do anything. And you want to make sure that you have someone I can attend to you. I personally, on this surgery, which has been my most painful and longest recovery, I couldn’t lay down. So I realized I had to prop myself up with pillows and I had to kind of halfway sleep.
like up like this and major back pain. I wish that I would have had one of those lazy boy chairs that just has like the mechanical button on it to just go up and down. So if you don’t have one of those, you’re gonna have to someone pick you up. You’re gonna have to have someone cook for you if you didn’t plan your meals out ahead of time. A lot of it is preparation because you can’t do much at all after. And I can imagine with lipo, it’s gotta be very similar, know, sleeping has to be uncomfortable.
Selena Mendoza (39:00.105)
Have you had all your surgeries in the city that you live? Yes, so every surgery that I’ve had has, except for my labia busti, has been
Lisa (39:24.276)
Yes, I have. I’m curious for you. Did you stay in a hotel for a few days or did you drive straight back?
Selena Mendoza (39:34.944)
outside of where I live. so staying in a hotel and prepping is very different, especially if you’re like me, my first surgery, I’m cutting down on costs. The first night I didn’t even stay in a hotel. I stayed at a 24 hour spa that I could sleep in so that I didn’t have to pay for one extra night. I know. I have no idea about a day two in Atlanta, but similar to clean spa.
Lisa (39:50.581)
my gosh, like a king spot. my gosh.
Okay, similar, yeah. So did you have a little mini fridge in your room for meal prep? Okay, yeah.
Selena Mendoza (40:05.981)
Yeah, so we had a mini fridge and that’s part of the reason that meal prepping wasn’t, well, first of all, it was my first surgery so it wasn’t on my mind, but also like, you know, it just wouldn’t have made sense at that time. But for my second one, I like made sure that I pre-ordered my soup, that it was like my door dash was getting there when I was like arriving so that I had like warm, like, like very hearty soup for me like when I got out of my surgery and things. So like, and then I also just made sure that I had like my
little mini fridge stocked up with like electrolytes and like just little snacking things since I couldn’t really have like meal preps if that makes sense, you know.
Lisa (40:42.196)
Yes, yes, of like you’ve lost a lot of nutrients and you’ve probably thrown up a lot. So it’s all about keeping it soft and nourishing yourself and making sure that you have support and help. Do you have anything else that you want to share that we didn’t cover before we wrap?
Selena Mendoza (40:50.014)
a lot.
Selena Mendoza (41:02.688)
Just make sure that your car is comfortable before you get in it. Make sure it’s set up exactly how you want it for when you get out, because nothing’s worse than trying to put your pillows behind you when you’re just getting out of surgery.
Lisa (41:14.708)
Yes, yes, I 100 % that you can’t reach behind yourself though. Yeah. And pillow, I don’t know about you, but pillows felt like they weighed like 30 pounds to me. was just, yeah. This has been so great, Selena. It’s just been so wonderful to share this experience with you. In hindsight, it’s all kind of funny, but at the time it’s pretty serious. And I hope that listeners understand they get that part of it as well. It is a serious thing. It’s a lot of homework.
Selena Mendoza (41:17.384)
That’s right.
Selena Mendoza (41:24.169)
Yes. my gosh, yes.
Yes.
Selena Mendoza (41:41.727)
Thank
Lisa (41:44.25)
but ultimately it’s, it was worth it. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Selena Mendoza (41:48.422)
I feel very happy. Thank you for sharing the experience with me as well, Lisa. I feel like I’ve already learned from you. I’m going to go get my warranty card as soon as I get out of here.
Lisa (41:58.206)
Please go get it. You never know what’s gonna happen. Well, I’m so glad we got to meet. Yeah. Have a great day.
Selena Mendoza (42:01.203)
know right? Thank you for having me on. It was great to meet you.
AM Davies (42:07.406)
find how do we find Selena if we want to follow her. Can you ask that question?
Selena Mendoza (42:08.732)
Lisa (42:12.122)
yes. How do we find you for people that want to follow you on Instagram or anywhere else?
Selena Mendoza (42:17.273)
Yes, can definitely you can follow me on pretty much any social media at Selena Mendoza. Just like. Yes. All right. Thank you so much, you guys have a wonderful day. OK, bye bye.
Lisa (42:23.88)
All right, will look you up. It’s been great. Have a great day. Bye.
Lisa (42:38.824)
Hello.
AM Davies (42:38.892)
Hi, one sec.
switching to Anne. Well, that was very fun. That was great. Yeah, she was, so much fun, so bubbly and so like interesting and knowledgeable. I was having a blast over here, just listening and watching.
Lisa (42:52.446)
That was fun. She’s cool. Yeah.
Lisa (43:06.034)
Ha ha!
AM Davies (43:08.323)
it looked like you were having a lot of fun. must feel really good to have a conversation with somebody else who’s been through like similar things as you.
Lisa (43:17.044)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know, for me, it’s almost like part, I’ve lived one life and then when I had my procedure, I became another person. And I think a lot of us feel that way. I don’t know what it’s like to be in our industry, like, and because I had all my procedures done before the industry. So I don’t have like a basis of comparison on like what it would feel like, you know, personally to, you know, see that change in myself, but definitely,
AM Davies (43:30.542)
Okay.
AM Davies (43:44.845)
Yeah.
Lisa (43:46.502)
you can feel the confidence that comes through that. And it’s more than just about the aesthetics, like she was saying, it’s you really just, it’s kind of, kind of settle with yourself. Like now I’m in my body. It’s a good feeling, you know.
AM Davies (43:59.884)
Yeah, I mean, you just had your procedure three weeks ago. And just for the audience to understand timeline, this is January 30th is this recording. And like, so would you do you feel that now after this surgery? Okay.
Lisa (44:09.48)
Mm-hmm.
Lisa (44:13.588)
Totally. Yes, honestly. So my first breast aug back in 2007, I think it was, I wish I wrote this stuff down back then. I was very bruised and like, it was ugly. And I was kind of depressed when I opened my compression bra. I’m like, my God, what did I do? This time, you know, they give you medications now to help minimize that kind of stuff. So I actually see my results immediately.
AM Davies (44:32.75)
Lisa (44:40.334)
and I was aware that there was, you know, some swelling, some water retention, and even with the water retention, I could still tell this is a huge improvement. my, my last revision, ended up in a rupture and they had never done the procedure properly after talking to my current doctor. some things were done improperly and that’s why we decided to go and put them like under the gland instead of under the muscle and,
AM Davies (45:04.302)
Right.
Lisa (45:05.084)
I had like a severe crease where my muscle was squeezing the implant on my left side, which is probably what caused the rupture originally. and just, you know, it did not look right. had two different boobs and because I already had such a huge size of screp and stand, have a congenital defect called tuberous isometry where the lower pole. So it’s like the underside of your boob, like the teardrop part of it. Never, skin never fully stretched.
AM Davies (45:16.728)
Okay.
Lisa (45:30.984)
So all of the upper pole had kind of folded over on it and they call it Snoopy boob or like triangle boob. Yeah, yeah, like Snoopy’s nose.
AM Davies (45:34.839)
I dunno.
Snoopy boob, like the dog. And this is all stuff that you’re gonna get into when you break down your full story, right? Yeah. Snoopy boob.
Lisa (45:44.562)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, but, know, so there was just a lot of issues. I can never wear normal underwire bra because it would always move to that side. And I wore, I wore, they are, they suck. Yeah. So I actually have to go bra shopping on Saturday because in order to fix my problem, I had to go up a little bit and now I’m no longer 36C. I’m a 36D and I’m like, well, this is fun.
AM Davies (45:51.598)
you
AM Davies (45:56.504)
Those are
AM Davies (46:10.04)
SICK!
Lisa (46:12.544)
But yeah, it’s just great to hear someone else’s story and also get those little tidbits of information. Like I never thought to look for like insurance, see if my doctor was insured. And you have to be careful because a lot of these boutique and boutique are like the doctors that aren’t working in hospital settings. They’re working with a little clinic, you you gotta be careful because a lot of them are able to kind of circumvent.
AM Davies (46:17.656)
Totally.
AM Davies (46:27.778)
Yeah.
Lisa (46:34.558)
those things like having insurance or having the right accreditations. I learned a lot about one of the doctors I talked to from another doctor that I talked to later that he wasn’t even a real plastic surgeon and he was gonna do the very same procedure that I had done with a real surgeon. Yeah, that guy should be, he should be fired. He no longer do work anymore. Research.
AM Davies (46:47.273)
good. Yeah.
AM Davies (46:53.646)
research. mean, and that also like her $8,000 loss, like, that’s a massive loss, you know, I mean, I’ve made huge money making mistakes, too. So but it’s just like, you don’t want to do that. So like, it’s so good that we can learn from each other. Yeah. Well,
Lisa (46:58.998)
Ugh, God.
That’s smooth.
Lisa (47:08.052)
Mm-hmm.
Lisa (47:12.808)
Yes, yes, that resolve and like always walk away. If you’re not sure, if you don’t feel safe, it’s better to walk away.
AM Davies (47:19.054)
which was smart on her part, even though it’s $8,000, her body is way more important than $8,000. So I’m glad that she took that route. So this is so interesting, Lisa. I can’t wait for more guests. I think this is rad. So you guys were awesome. Yeah.
Lisa (47:24.318)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lisa (47:32.658)
Me too. All right. I’m looking forward to the next one.
AM Davies (47:36.79)
Yeah. Should we close out?
Lisa (47:39.687)
Mm-hmm.
AM Davies (47:42.926)
Who is it? Is it me?
Lisa (47:45.426)
I guess so. How do we close? don’t see. my bad. It’s down here.
AM Davies (47:52.124)
yeah, we were supposed to take a break before the producer, but that’s okay. We’ll just, you don’t have to say it. We’ll just do it. And then we just, okay. So.
Lisa (48:00.148)
Do want to record me saying it and then cut it in later?
AM Davies (48:02.796)
Yeah, so you’re gonna say and I’m just gonna make note of it. That’s it for today. Thanks so much for listening
Lisa (48:13.204)
Okay, let’s take a quick break and then we’ll come back and we’re gonna chat with our producer.
And we’re back.
AM Davies (48:25.806)
Okay, and now you can close out.
Lisa (48:26.196)
Okay, closing out. All right, well, that’s it for today. Thank you so much for listening and please remember to like, subscribe and rate our podcast.
AM Davies (48:37.464)
Bye.
Lisa (48:38.548)
Bye.
AM Davies (48:40.238)
Awesome, let’s stop recording.